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Quote supermanU Replybullet Topic: Alternatives to crystal ??
    Posted: 27 May 2009 at 10:35am
Hi, im new to crystal, and so far it seems really complicated. Maybe i just need to get over the hump, but i have done some research and found some alternatives. Im wondering if anyone has tried using them and what their opinions are about them.

There is pentaho Pentaho which seems like a pretty good choice since it has alot of additional BI addons that integrate nicely with the reporting part of their product suite

I also know of Windward reports Windward Reports which seems easy to use since it integrates into microsoft office so it is WYSIWYG.

then there is Jasper, which is the free open source reporting tool, but from what ive read it seems that it is not too powerful

of course their is Microsoft's Sql Server Reporting services, Microsoft SRSS. One of my co-workers told me to not touch it with at 10 foot pole, but i like that it is integrated into VS.

Has anyone tried these ? and if so is crystal still the best way to go? I know that crystal is the industry standard, but so far it has been alot of hair pulling on my end.
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Quote DBlank Replybullet Posted: 27 May 2009 at 1:11pm
My two cents...
I have not used the other products so I cannot speak to them as a direct comparison. In general though my experience is that any product is going to cause you the same hair pulling experience until you get used to it. Of course some may be easier to learn than others but all GUIs have oddities. Once you grasp the architecture in crystal report designs you can really do a lot with crystal very easily. Until then it will drive you up a wall. Also if looking to switch be careful not to confuse "crystal problems" with bad data designs. A lot of questions that end up getting posted here are work arounds for screwy data, joins or just odd requests that a designer had from a customer that is not really supported by the data. You will end up dealing with these messes regardless of the software you use to display it.
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Quote lockwelle Replybullet Posted: 28 May 2009 at 6:52am
I've used Microsoft's Sql Server Reporting services, it's fine.  I have only used for a small company, but it works just fine.  It's deployment is different, being web based, but otherwise, it's fine.
 
As DBlank, mentioned, if Crystal is confusing, Reporting services will be just as confusing...I think that all reporting tools are going to be confusing to a new report writer, if they are as powerful as Crystal and Reporting services.
 
To me, and this is what I banged my head on, report writing is about getting every field that you need in the report, from a stored proc in 1 line.  This might cause the line to be really long, but everything you need is there.  None of the reporting tools will read the data again, except for a subreport, and this causes a performance issue, and in 99% of the cases is unnecessary as you could have gotten the info from the database the first time in the stored proc.
 
If you are not using stored procs, every reporting tool is going to be a pain, because you will want/need to do something that cannot be done by joining straight to the tables.
 
Whatever tool you use, I would suggest gathering your data from a stored proc and including as much information as you can that you NEED for your report.  After that, the tool is just formatting the data, which is easy...most of the time.
 
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